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The following is a transcript of an interview with Sean O’Brien, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” that aired on Sept. 1, 2024.


NANCY CORDES: We turn now to Sean O’Brien. He is the president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, one of the nation’s largest labor unions, and he joins us this morning from Boston. President O’Brien, thank you so much for being with us on this Labor Day weekend. I want to start out by asking you about endorsements, you lead one of the 10 largest unions in this country, and I want to put this graphic up. Take a look. The other nine have all issued their endorsements for President of the United States. They’ve all endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris and her running mate, Tim Walz. It is now September 1. Where has summer gone? When do the teamsters plan to announce who they are endorsing?

SEAN O’BRIEN: Well, I think historically, the teamsters have always endorsed after both respective conventions. This is a little different. This time, under our leadership, we brought every single candidate to the table in front of our rank and file members and our general executive board, and we’re waiting on Vice President Harris to commit to come meet with us.

NANCY CORDES: And I believe her campaign- campaign says they are working with you to figure out a date for that. You know, her policies are more or less in line with the current President, who you did sit down with when you thought that he was going to be the nominee, when we all thought he was going to be the nominee. Are there any concerns that you have about Harris possibly being less pro labor, less pro union than the current President?

SEAN O’BRIEN: So our union is a lot different than most unions. We represent 1.3 million members. Half of our members are Republicans, half of our members are Democrats. So we have to serve all of our membership equally. Look, everybody has a different style of leadership. We want the opportunity to sit down with Vice President Harris. I mean, I said to someone the other day, you don’t hire someone unless you give them an interview. And you know, this is our opportunity to ask her about Teamster specific issues and also labor issues. So until we have that meeting, you know, obviously we will wait to make that determination.

NANCY CORDES: Very quickly, you didn’t endorse anyone back in 1996, is that- is there a possibility that could happen again?

SEAN O’BRIEN: Look, we want to make sure we make the best decision and endorse the best candidate for labor. You know, 1996 was a long time ago. It’s all going to be driven by our rank and file members and our leadership. We’re a very, very Democratic union.

NANCY CORDES: Got it. Sean O’Brien, stay with us. We’re going to have more questions for you after the break. We’ll be right back.

NANCY CORDES: Welcome back to Face the Nation. We continue our conversation now with Teamsters President Sean O’Brien. Mr. O’Brien, thanks so much for sticking with us. One of your fellow unions, the United Auto Workers, filed federal labor charges against the Republican nominee Donald Trump after he seemed to celebrate the notion of firing workers who go on strike. That happened in a conversation that he was having with Elon Musk. Are you with the UAW on this? Do you support the action they took?

SEAN O’BRIEN: Look, I support anybody that attacks labor, they should be held accountable, and any organization that’s going to hold them accountable. I can’t speak for the UAW. But if you recall when those remarks were made by former President Trump, I was the first union to call them out, call the administration out, and call, quite frankly, Elon Musk out. I’ve been fighting corporate billionaires in greed for the last two and a half years. And you know, UAW feels they have a right to file a NLRB charge, that’s their right. I’ve got a right to call out former President Trump or anybody else that attacks labor.

NANCY CORDES: Yeah, if I’m remembering correctly, you called it economic terrorism. How did it go over with your members?

SEAN O’BRIEN: Look, our members love the fact that they have a voice, that they have the ability to stand up and fight corporate America. It’s been a long time coming. Over the last two and a half years, the Teamsters union has had 226 strikes. We’ve grown more than we ever have. So there is a great appetite for the fight with our rank and file members, and our rank and file members enable us to fight for them day in and day out.

NANCY CORDES: That’s a perfect segue into my next question, which is about union membership in this country. It is Labor Day weekend, after all. So let’s take a look at the state of union labor in this country. About 10% of the US workforce are union members, down from about 20% in 1983. A majority of Americans say that’s bad. That decline is bad for working people. Is the decline irreversible in your view?

SEAN O’BRIEN: The decline is definitely irreversible. Now let’s look back, you know, to 1983 that’s when a bipartisan congressional bill was passed, trucking deregulation, and we lost 400,000 members. A lot of companies went bankrupt. So you know, although there’s a lot of politicians taking credit for the labor movement of the last couple of years, they’re the same politicians that caused this problem that we face today. But to answer your question, I think we are definitely on the upswing. We have proved how valuable the American worker is to this country, especially through one of the biggest crisis we faced was a pandemic, and that has obviously incentivized workers to form unions, and we’ve got to work collaboratively with both sides to make sure that people be able to organize without retribution or retaliation moving forward, and that’s up to politicians, whether an R or D or I.

NANCY CORDES:  5:37  

You know, you shared that message at the Republican Convention, a move that some members of Teamsters leadership did- did not approve of. They were pretty vocal about that. It appears that it also cost you a speaking slot at the Democratic Convention. Did the Democrats ever tell you why they didn’t give you a chance to speak?

SEAN O’BRIEN: No, they didn’t. And look, I’m going to say this, whatever the critics out there, and they’re very few, in the leadership. Whenever I get an opportunity to highlight the American worker, especially the Teamster worker, I’m going to take any and all venue. We asked both conventions, respectively, at the same time, and the Republican National Convention immediately responded to us. Didn’t try and edit any of our messages, and I was hopeful that the Democrats would do the same, but they didn’t. I’m not upset about it, but I can tell you this, my rank and file members, who have been lifelong Democrats, are not happy about it.

NANCY CORDES:  6:32  

I know there were some members of the union who spoke, but that’s not the same as having the leader of the organization speak. Very quickly, did you choose to speak at the Republican Convention, which is a pretty unusual move for a union leader, because you feel that Trump has been more pro labor than past Republican nominees?

SEAN O’BRIEN: No, not at all. I spoke there because it was the ability to highlight how important we are. It was the ability to call out the people, the corporate elitist who forget who built this country, the American workers. You know, people like to, you know, have their own opinions on why we were there, but I was there to talk about the American workers. It wasn’t an endorsement for any and all Republicans. It was strictly a message about how important and how valuable we are, and to let the people know that fight us every day, that we’re not going away.

NANCY CORDES: Understood. Sean O’Brien, president of the Teamsters, thanks so much, and we’ll be looking forward to hearing who your union eventually endorses. Thanks for being here, and we’ll be right back.



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Mass deportation would come with hefty bill, require more manpower, immigration experts say

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 The mass deportation plan former President Donald Trump has pledged to institute if he’s reelected would come with a hefty price tag.

The American Immigration Council estimated that it could cost $88 billion annually to deport one million people a year. The removal of millions of construction, hospitality and agriculture workers could reduce the U.S. gross domestic product by $1.7 trillion. 

Tom Homan, who led U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement during the first Trump administration, said he doesn’t know if the $88 billion a year cost estimate is accurate, but he says mass deportation is necessary.

“What price do you put on national security? Is it worth it?” Homan said.

How deportations work now

60 Minutes recently joined ICE officers in Silver Spring, Maryland, as they located and arrested undocumented immigrants with criminal histories, including assault, robbery, drug and gun convictions. They’d been identified by ICE as threats to public safety.

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They stopped a van and arrested the passenger, a 24-year-old Guatemalan with an assault conviction, who had been ordered deported by a judge five years ago. ICE officers said the driver of the van was also in the country illegally and had been deported once before, but he was let go. Matt Elliston, director of ICE’s Baltimore field office, said the driver didn’t have a criminal record.

“He was picking up his employee to go to work,” Elliston said. “It doesn’t make sense to waste a detention bed on someone like that when we have other felons to go out and get today.”

Elliston said ICE’s mission is targeted enforcement — using immigration law to improve public safety.

“It’s not to just aimlessly arrest anyone we come across,” he said.

It took a team of more than a dozen officers seven hours to arrest six people, and that doesn’t include the many hours spent searching for them.

Are there resources to support mass deportation?

There are more than 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the United States — about 3% of the population — and Trump has vowed to launch the largest mass deportation program in U.S. history. Homan, who Trump has said would join him if he wins a second term, said he’s unaware of any written mass deportation plan.

“ICE is very good at these operations. This is what they do,” Homan said.

But Elliston doesn’t know how, in Maryland, the agency could find the resources for mass deportation. 

Matt Elliston
Cecilia Vega and Matt Elliston

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“Just the amount of money that that would cost in order to detain everybody, you know, it [would be] at the Department of Defense level of financing,” he said.

Jason Houser, ICE chief of staff during the first two years of the Biden administration, said it costs $150 a night to detain people like those 60 Minutes saw arrested. The average stay as they await deportation is 46 days. One deportation flight can cost $250,000, and that assumes the home country will accept them. Many, like Cuba and Venezuela, rarely do.

Who would handle mass deportation?

ICE currently has around 6,000 law enforcement officers in its deportation branch. It would require a massive increase in manpower to arrest and deport a million people a year, Houser said.

“You’re talking 100,000 official officers, police officers, detention officers, support staff, management staff,” he said.

Trump adviser Stephen Miller has said staff could come from other government agencies, like the Drug Enforcement Administration, but Houser criticized the idea of taking people from other agencies outside ICE off their set missions. 

Immigration enforcement also requires specialized training and language skills that most military and law enforcement officers don’t have.

“It is not an easy swap,” Elliston said. “What I can tell you in, from the Immigration and Nationality Act, immigration law is second to the U.S. tax code in complexity.”



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Former President Donald Trump’s pledge to implement mass deportation if he’s reelected has ignited fears of family separations. 

Monica Camacho Perez and her family have lived and worked in the United States since coming illegally from Mexico more than 20 years ago. Camacho Perez teaches English as a second language to immigrant adults, and she also works in the public high schools. Her family lives in Baltimore. 

“We are a normal family, like anybody else,” she said. “We go to church. We work every day. We pay taxes,” she said.

She’s among the more than 500,000 undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children who are protected from deportation under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program known as DACA.

“I’m the only one right now that’s, like, protected, while my parents are not, my brothers are not,” she said. “My brothers have children that are born here. So if they were to get deported, what will happen to their kids?”

Would families be separated if Trump’s reelected?

When asked whether there was a way to carry out mass deportations without separating families, Tom Homan, who led immigration enforcement during the first year-and-a-half of the Trump administration, said, “Of course there is. Families can be deported together.” 

Like Camacho Perez’s nieces and nephews, more than four million U.S.-born children live with an undocumented parent.

Cecilia Vega with Monica Camacho Perez and her family
Cecilia Vega with Monica Camacho Perez and her family

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Asked why children should have to leave the country where they were born and raised, Homan said, “Because their parent absolutely entered the country illegally, had a child knowing he was in the country illegally. So he created that crisis.”

During Homan’s time leading ICE – in what became one of the most controversial policies of the Trump administration – at least 5,000 migrant children were forcibly separated from their parents when their parents were arrested at the border and prosecuted for crossing into the U.S. illegally.

Asked about published accounts saying that family separation at the border was his idea, Homan replied: “Not true. I didn’t write the memorandum to separate families. I signed the memo. Why’d I sign the memo? I was hoping to save lives. While you and I are talking right now, a child’s going to die in the border. . . . So we thought, ‘so maybe if we prosecute people, they’ll stop coming.'”

Trump has said Homan would be joining him in the new administration if he wins a second term. Asked if this family separation policy would be re-instituted then, Homan said, “I don’t know of any formal policy where they’re talking about family separations.”

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Tom Homan

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Asked whether it should be on the table, he replied, “It needs to be considered, absolutely.”

How that would happen given a court settlement reached late last year between the federal government and the American Civil Liberties Union is unclear. Under the settlement, the federal government is barred from separating migrant families at the border for the next eight years if the sole purpose is to prosecute the parents for entering the U.S. illegally. 

“I can’t imagine living here without them.”

Back in Baltimore, Camacho Perez said she has given a lot of thought to what she would do if her parents were deported. Even though Baltimore is where she grew up, and she now owns her own home there, she thinks she would go back to Mexico with her parents if they were deported.

“They’re also part of my American dream,” she said. “And I can’t imagine living here without them.”



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Donald Trump’s rally draws apparent sellout crowd to Madison Square Garden

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Former President Donald Trump packs Madison Square Garden for campaign rally


Former President Donald Trump packs Madison Square Garden for campaign rally

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NEW YORK — Thousands of people, including from other parts of the country, descended on Madison Square Garden in New York City on Sunday afternoon for former President Donald Trump’s campaign rally.

The NYPD said it had drones over the area, robots, and a helicopter, as well as antiterrorism units outside monitoring the situation to keep everyone safe.

With just nine days to go until Election Day, a new CBS News poll has the two presidential candidates neck and neck, with Vice President Kamala Harris at 50% and Trump at 49% among likely voters. In battleground states, both are polling at 50%.

The focus of the respective campaigns has been on issues, including immigration, the war between Israel and Hamas, and crime.

JD Vance, Elon Musk, Melania Trump spoke

Sunday’s rally marked a detour from the battleground states for Trump. Among those who took the stage before the former president spoke were former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Staten Island activist Scott LoBaido.

“President Trump grew up here. He’s a New Yorker,” Giuliani said. “That’s why people get a little bit annoyed at him. He speaks his mind.”

When Trump entered the arena there was applause, a standing ovation, and everyone started chanting. Every seat appeared to be filled from the floor to the highest sections. In addition to Trump, vice presidential nominee JD Vance, billionaire supporter Elon Musk and Trump’s wife, Melania, all spoke. 

Trump supporters revel in former president’s appearance

The former president is from Queens. CBS News New York met supporters from his home borough, but also a couple from Chicago.

“I just love him, and he’s the best. I want the economy to get better,” a woman said.

“We have an influx of migrants, illegal migrants. Our economy is … just go to the grocery store,” a man from Dutchess County added.

Nassau County Executive Bruce Blakeman was one of several Long Island representatives who came to the Garden in the Trump motorcade.

“Just look around. This is incredible. We’re in New York City in the middle of, you know, this is liberal … one of the most liberal cities in the country, and it’s amazing,” New York City Councilwoman Inna Vernikov said.

Vulgar language during the introductions 

Before Trump took the stage, there was some vulgar language in the speeches. Comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, who goes by Kill Tony, referred made a crude joke referring to Puerto Rico as a “floating island of garbage” and made other offensive jokes about Black people and Latinos. 

Sid Rosenberg, a radio host that Trump often talks to, called Hillary Clinton a “sick son of a b***,” and referred to migrants as “f—ing illegals.” 

David Rem, a childhood friend of Trump’s, called Harris “the antichrist.” 

Grant Cardone, a business owner, said Harris “and her pimp handlers will destroy the country.” 



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