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Washington — Federal investigators have obtained an audio recording of former President Donald Trump in which he acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document after he left the White House, according to people familiar with the matter. 

The recording — from a July 2021 meeting at Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey — is a crucial piece of evidence that prosecutors in special counsel Jack Smith’s office obtained in recent months and presented in grand-jury proceedings examining the former president’s retention of sensitive records and possible obstruction of the investigation, the people said.  

CNN first reported the existence of the audio tape and prosecutors’ possession of the recording. 

According to two people familiar with the matter, Trump can be heard on the recording conceding that there were national security restrictions on the memo because it detailed a potential attack on Iran. It is not clear from the recording whether Trump was in possession of the document at the time or was just describing its contents to at least three people who were present during the meeting, the people said. CBS News has not listened to the audio.

In the recording, Trump acknowledges the Iran document is still classified and he should have declassified it before he left the White House, one of the people said. 

Trump aide Margo Martin and other individuals who were working on an autobiography of former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows were present at the meeting, the people confirmed to CBS News. The sources said that on the audio the former president mentioned the classified document when he was talking about Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Milley, who according to the New Yorker, had fought in the last days of the Trump administration to keep the president from attacking Iran.

In recent months, Martin was spotted at the federal courthouse where Smith has been convening a grand jury.

Martin’s attorney did not comment on this report. The special counsel’s office also declined to comment.

Smith and his team are investigating the former president after documents with classified markings from his tenure in the White House were uncovered at Trump’s Florida residence, Mar-a-Lago, in August 2022. Prosecutors are also looking into whether there were efforts to obstruct attempts to recover the records, according to multiple sources close to the investigation. 

“Leaks from radical partisans behind this political persecution are designed to inflame tensions and continue the media’s harassment of President Trump and his supporters. It’s just more proof that when it comes to President Trump, there are absolutely no depths to which they will not sink as they pursue their witch hunts,” a Trump spokesperson said in a statement, “The DOJ’s continued interference in the presidential election is shameful and this meritless investigation should cease wasting the American taxpayer’s money on Democrat political objectives.”

During a CNN town hall earlier this month, Trump argued he was “allowed” to take such documents, and in the past has said he declassified the records in question, but the audio obtained by prosecutors raises questions about his defense. 

Grand jury activity and requests for evidence have slowed in recent weeks, sources said, indicating the investigation may be coming to a close. Numerous former White House aides and Mar-a-Lago employees — from security officials and valets — have been called to testify in secret proceedings in Washington, D.C. 

Prosecutors have gathered evidence that Trump’s resort staff moved boxes the day before a June 2022 visit to Mar-a-Lago by the FBI and a federal prosecutor, a source familiar with the matter confirmed to CBS News. Trump’s team was aware of the scheduled visit and held a so-called dress rehearsal for the visit ahead of time, according to the source. This was first reported by the Washington Post

It remains unclear whether the Iran-related classified document was turned over to the National Archives as part of the months-long negotiation process between government officials and Trump attorneys, or if it was recovered during the August 2022 search at Mar-a-Lago. But what is clear is that the meeting captured in the recording occurred a few months after officials from the National Archives notified Trump attorneys that White House records were missing.

In late 2022, Trump attorneys hired a firm to conduct a search for any remaining classified documents at Trump properties including Bedminister.

The July 2021 meeting captured in the recording mirrors an instance described in Meadows’ autobiography in which Trump displayed a 4-page memo to a group meeting at his New Jersey club. 

The special counsel, who was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland late last year,  is also investigating the former president’s conduct around the Jan. 6 Capitol attack and efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. Trump has denied any wrongdoing in either case. Former Vice President Mike Pence, who will be announcing his 2024 presidential candidacy next week, testified before a grand jury in that investigation earlier this year. 



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Since the Hamas terrorist attack on Israel, Israel has been waging a war on multiple fronts, and Gaza is now in near-total ruins with nearly 41,000 Palestinians dead, according to the Hamas-run Health Ministry. Imtiaz Tyab reports.

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This week on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” as the world prepares to mark one year since the Hamas attack on Israel, Margaret Brennan speaks to UNICEF executive director Catherine Russell. Plus, Republican Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina joins.

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Kamala Harris will speak with “60 Minutes” tomorrow. Here’s what to know for the interview.

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Voters will get the chance to hear from Vice President Kamala Harris on Monday as she presents her case for why she should be president in a “60 Minutes” election special.

For decades, “60 Minutes” has featured both Republican and Democratic nominees for presidents, but this year, former President Donald Trump backed out after previously indicating he would be on the show. Correspondent Scott Pelley, who’d been set to interview Trump, will instead travel to Arizona’s Maricopa County, home to more than 60% of Arizona’s voters and a critical battleground in a key swing state. 

One thing is certain about the election; with the U.S. deeply involved in both the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East, whoever wins on Nov. 5 will become a wartime president. 

What Harris will discuss

Israel’s war started one year ago after Hamas launched a surprise terror attack and correspondent Bill Whitaker will discuss the ongoing war with Harris. 

Harris will also discuss the economy, immigration, her record as vice president and the differences between herself and Trump.

Democratic vice presidential candidate Gov. Tim Walz will also appear.

Whitaker joined the Democratic ticket on the campaign trail this week to gain insight into their platform’s priorities and values, and what the candidates believe voters should know. 

Why Trump pulled out of the “60 Minutes” interview

Leading up to the candidate hour, Trump, through campaign spokespeople, was the first candidate to accept the “60 Minutes” request to be interviewed for the special, according to CBS News. It had been agreed that both candidates would receive equal time during the broadcast.

Trump last sat down with 60 Minutes in 2020. He walked out during the interview with Lesley Stahl. Trump referenced the incident on Tuesday night at a Milwaukee press conference when asked about his decision not to participate in the Oct. 7 “60 Minutes” election special. 

“Well, right now, I went to – they came to me and would like me to do an interview, but first I want to get an apology, because the last time I did an interview with them, if you remember, they challenged me on the computer,” Trump said. “They said the ‘laptop from hell’ was from Russia, and I said it wasn’t from Russia. It was from Hunter, and I never got an apology, so I’m sort of waiting. I’d love to do ’60 Minutes.’ I do everything.”

The Republican nominee for president emphasized that he felt he was owed an apology from “60 Minutes.”

“Let’s see if they do it. I wouldn’t mind doing 60,” Trump continued. “I’ve done ’60 Minutes’ a lot.”

In a statement on Tuesday, Trump campaign communications director Steven Cheung said that Trump’s team had not agreed to an interview.

“Fake News,” Cheung said in a post on X. “60 Minutes begged for an interview, even after they were caught lying about Hunter Biden’s laptop back in 2020. There were initial discussions, but nothing was ever scheduled or locked in. They also insisted on doing live fact checking, which is unprecedented.”

Previous Trump, Harris appearances on 60 Minutes

Trump previously sat down with “60 Minutes'” Mike Wallace in 1985, Pelley in 2015 and Lesley Stahl twice in 2016, first in July of that year and then again in November of 2016. He also spoke with Stahl again in 2018 and 2020.

Harris previously sat down with Whitaker last year. She also was interviewed by Norah O’Donnell, “CBS Evening News” anchor and “60 Minutes” contributing correspondent, in 2020

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