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Car through the ice, here’s how to survive
It’s been a weird winter and the ice is even more unpredictable. We teamed up with the DNR to sink a car in a lake to show you how to escape.
MAPLEWOOD, Minn. — The number of people who died falling through the ice on Minnesota lakes so far this year is on track to be double what it was all of last year. So, we thought it was a great time to talk about ice safety.
A couple of years ago, we teamed up with the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) to have someone fall through the ice, to teach us how to get out.
This year we decided to do something different — we sunk a car in a lake.
Using GoPros, a drone and a diver, we teamed up again with the Minnesota DNR — and the Ramsey County Sheriff’s Department — to show you exactly what happens if you break through, what you can do to survive and something to keep in mind with electric vehicles.
We were out on Spoon Lake in Ramsey County for the drill. The car didn’t break through the ice as quickly as we thought, considering the conditions, so they drilled holes to make the process go faster.
First, the front wheels went through.
“Usually, you’re going to have about a minute or so to get out, so it’s not like it just instantly sinks to the bottom,” said Arnaud Kpachavi, with the Minnesota DNR.
From the time the front wheels broke through the ice to the time the cabin filled up with water was 1 minute, 41 seconds.
“What we saw here, where it gets hung up on an ice shelf for a little bit first, is typically what I’ve seen when I’ve responded to these,” Kpachavi explained.
It took just under 4 minutes for the entire car to slide under the ice.
Keep in mind this is a small car, with no battery or fluids or people or fishing gear. The heavier the car or truck, the faster it will sink. And electric vehicles are even heavier than their gas-powered counterparts — up to 30% heavier because of their battery packs.
BELOW: Back in 2019, the Minnesota DNR showed us what to do if you fall through the ice.
“The doors, a lot of times it won’t open, like you can see out there the driver’s side door is tight up against the ice. So my guess is if there was someone inside that car right now, they wouldn’t be able to open the door,” said Kpachavi. “Even if there is no ice right next to the door blocking it, a lot of times the water pressure rushing in will be too much to push the door open, even without a obstruction.”
So his advice? Always have the windows down before you drive on the ice. It’s your best chance of escaping.
“If you are in a vehicle and it’s completely submerged, don’t just think it’s over and give up,” he said. “You’ve got as much time as you’ve got breath to get up.”
And Arnaud is experienced at this, he has had to practice this in training.
“Just the big thing there, is remembering which way is up as you are going down, because if you’re in a situation where your car flips over, you just want to remember when you come out the window, obviously toward the roof is going to be down at that point,” he added.
But let’s go back to the beginning, before you’re in this predicament. Besides rolling down the windows, there are other things you can do before you get out there.
The first seems like a no-brainer, but check the ice thickness, even if you see someone else already on the lake.
Wear ice picks around your neck, but keep floatation devices, like life jackets, on the seat next to you.
“You don’t actually want to be wearing them when you are in the vehicle, because if the vehicle goes down, and you are stuck inside, it can actually make it tough to be able to swim out of a window,” Kpachavi said of the life jackets.
Have a plan with the people in the car, especially if there are kids with you or people not used to going out on a frozen lake. And keep your cell phone in your pocket.
“Getting that 911 call out right away is super important because you’re going to be wet, cold, a lot of times a little panicked from what just happened,” he said.
Decide whether or not you’re going to wear a seatbelt. While they can protect you from other drivers on the lake, it’s one more thing holding you down when you’re trying to get out. And if you are belted in, keep a seatbelt cutter on your visor. It can also be used to break windows if necessary.
OK, now you’re out and safe, but it’s not over yet. You legally have 48 hours to notify the sheriff’s department what happened. And for good reason.
“Because if we don’t know that, we’ll have to assume someone is down in that vehicle, and that’s going to generate a huge law enforcement and public safety response,” Kpachavi said.
You also have 30 days to get the car out of the drink on your own dime. That’s to make sure the fluids don’t leak out into our lakes. It’s an environmental concern. And if you don’t, you could face fines up to five times what it costs the sheriff’s department to do it.
So, now you’re prepared — at least as prepared as you can be for the unpredictable.
Here’s a list of all the tips to keep you safe on the ice:
- Check the ice thickness. (DNR Ice Thickness Chart)
- Open your windows.
- Put flotation devices on seat next to you.
- Keep your cell phone in your pocket.
- Keep a seatbelt cutter on your visor.
- Try to get out quickly before the car sinks.
- If you are under water, remember which way is up or follow the direction of the bubbles.
- When you are out, call for help.
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Fire damages popular Hopkins bar and restaurant
A police sergeant says the incident started as a grease fire just after 12:45 a.m. and then spread through Pub 819 and the second floor.
HOPKINS, Minn. — Inspectors will be determining the extent of damage Monday after an early morning fire roared through a popular bar and restaurant in downtown Hopkins.
Fire rigs were dispatched to Pub 819 on Main Street shortly after 12:45 a.m. Hopkins Police Sergeant James Niemackl says the incident was reported as a grease fire that started in the kitchen. Employees were on scene at the time of the fire but Niemackl believed no injuries were suffered.
Mutual aid partners arrived on the scene to help putting down the fire, which appears to have reached the second floor of the building as well.
The official cause of the fire is under investigation.
This is a developing story. KARE 11 will share additional details as they become available.
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Minnesota nonprofits say help is still needed during the holidays
Despite the financial pressures, organizations remain committed to their missions.
MINNESOTA, USA — Despite record turn-out for Give to the Max Day, Minnesota nonprofits say help is still needed this holiday season.
In a 2024 report by the Minnesota Council of Nonprofits, 79% of Minnesota’s nonprofits reported in a survey that they have less than 12 months before they face financial distress.
That’s not the only strain organizations feel. About 73% of respondents reported that demand for services has increased over the past year.
Keith Kozerski, the chief program officer for Catholic Charities, is one of the many working on free foot medical screen exams and giving out shoes at its Dorothy Day Place campus in Saint Paul Saturday.
“In our children’s programs and our homelessness diversion, we saw over 100% increase in our clients last year,” said Kozerski.
The ICA Food Shelf, which also provides home and job services, has seen an uptick in folks coming to them for help amid rising food costs.
“We’re becoming the primary grocery store for a large number of families,” said Dan Narr, the executive director.
An analysis published this year by the Department of Human Services says there were 7.5 million visits to Minnesota food shelves last year, two million more than the year before.
“We want to make sure they have enough, nobody should have to write to go hungry,” said Narr.
The nonprofits say the goal is to serve those in need, but they need your help.
For a list of nonprofits and to explore donations, visit givemn.org.
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Ski areas set to make snow with colder temperatures expected
Trollhaugen started snowmaking again on Sunday night while Buck Hill will turn its snow guns on for the first time this season Monday afternoon.
BURNSVILLE, Minnesota — For those in the business of snow, timing is everything.
“If we can get open Thanksgiving week, that’s pretty ideal for us,” said Nate Birr, chief operations officer of Buck Hill in Burnsville.
Birr said his team usually looks for consistent temperatures of 27 degrees Fahrenheit or below.
“With the temps the way that they’re looking, fingers crossed… we’ll make snow all week long,” Birr said.
The plan is to start snowmaking on Monday afternoon with the goal of being open on Black Friday.
Buck Hill has 70-80 permanent snow guns and another 30 or so portable ones. Three years ago, they put a brand new pump in at the top of the hill.
“We used to have to kind of pick where we would make snow on the hill… But with the new pumps, the new water capacity, and the new guns, when we get ideal temps and we can maximize our water pressure and how much water we’re pushing through the system, we could have every snow gun on the hill going at one time,” Birr said. “In three days with temps in the teens and single digits… we can get 90% open. It might be light in a couple spots, but it’s still rideable.”
Ski areas are hoping for better weather than last year when much of Minnesota experienced the warmest winter on record.
“Last year we spent about a month-and-a-half turning the snow guns on, turning them off,” Birr explained. “A lot of it wasn’t making new snow, it was just repairing the base that was deteriorated because of weather, and rain, and warm temps.”
“We have been at the mercy of Mother Nature, as per usual,” said Marsha Hovey, marketing director at Trollhaugen in Dresser, Wisconsin.
Hovey said they were able to get a jumpstart on snowmaking but a one to two degree change in temperatures over the weekend forced them to temporarily shut down.
“We’re just kind of waiting for Mother Nature to tell us when we can make it,” said Matt Boudreaux, assistant mountain manager at Trollhaugen.
The team planned to restart snowmaking operations on Sunday night.
Hovey said they typically plan to open the first week of November.
“Even though we’re a little slow to start this year, we’re confident that winter will return in full force,” Hovey said.
Trollhaugen is celebrating its 75th anniversary.
“We need people to do their snow dances. So get dancing,” Hovey said.
Meanwhile, Birr said about the first day of snowmaking, “It’s my favorite day… and my kids’ favorite day of the year… it’s just a really happy day.”
For the most up-to-date information on openings, both Buck Hill and Trollhaugen will be posting updates to their social media pages.