At a time when so many of us feel so bitterly divided, we thought, why not a reminder of how politics could be?

“Sunday Morning” came to Angola, Indiana, for a week that will change 300 girls’ lives. It’s the summer before their senior year, and they’re the latest participants in Hoosier Girls State, where for 82 years, young women have learned about government, and what it means to make laws and campaign.

Right now, 15 of them are running for governor, the highest office at Girls State.

Attendees are split into two fictional parties, the Federalists and the Nationalists.

We sat down with four of the candidates for governor: Asha Adhikari, Priscilla Smith, Ivy Zhen, and Ella McGrath.

I asked, “How long did you have to introduce yourself to people who you would hope later would vote for you?”

“We got here Sunday afternoon,” said Smith, “and then if you wanted to run for governor, I think it was Monday, sometime in the morning we had to file. So, we barely had any time. And then we could start campaigning, I think, at noon on Monday.”

“Did any of you come because a career in public service might be in the cards for you?”

“I definitely want to be a public servant,” said Adhikari, “because I’ve seen that nothing is more powerful than giving back to others.”

Asked if they thought young women are more supportive of each other, all agreed: “Yes, 100%.”

Every summer, all 50 states hold versions of Girls and Boys State, programs with alumni like President Bill Clinton and Texas Governor Ann Richards, Bruce Springsteen and Rush Limbaugh … and 16-year-old me! I was a governor of Hoosiers Girls State, which was one of the stunning honors of my life. 

I still remember the elation, and all the nerves I had that week in Bloomington, Indiana 57 years ago. Back then it was the height of the tensions of the ’60s. Today, these girls say they feel divisions, too.  McGrath said, “I feel like in the world we live in now, it’s hard to put your beliefs out there and what you stand for without making other people upset, either, like, losing friends or making family members upset.”

“It’s kind of difficult to, like, really be able to vocalize your ideas,” said Zhen. “You would describe it as, like, cloudy, kind of like downcast with people being kind of scared to go out and, like, really say what they feel.”

But at Girls State, there’s a place to air it out. Two summers ago, Girls State in Missouri was captured for the 2024 Apple TV+ documentary “Girls State.”

Among the participants then: Emily Worthmore, a candidate for governor. “People at my school don’t know if I’m conservative or liberal, and I kind of like that,” she said in the film. “I don’t wanna say what I am and then have half the room stop listening before I even get a chance to speak. But I’m really hoping that, coming out of Girls State, I’m going to be just openly, I’m conservative, let’s talk about it.”

Now a college sophomore, Worthmore was asked if the experience was transformative for her. “I would say that Girls State is the most life-changing week of my life,” she replied.

Jesse Moss and his wife, Amanda McBaine, directed “Girls State” (and before that, the 2020 documentary “Boys State”).  “It’s really participatory democracy for young people to figure out, ‘How do we do this thing?'” said Moss.

Asked why now seemed the right time to make films about Boys and Girls State, McBaine replied, “We’re parents of teenagers. I think that’s part of our investigation; it’s personal. How are kids coming of age politically in this kind of incredible moment we’re in in our country? We’re very divided. How do people talk to one another when their politics are so divided? How do people from big cities meet people from small towns? We all have our silos, on social media or whatever.”

I asked Worthmore, “How do you think politics would be different if attending Boys State or Girls State was a requirement for all students?”

“If there was a way to make that happen, then we would be in a lot better of a place,” Worthmore replied. “People would be voting more, and that’s just the most important thing, right?”

Worthmore didn’t win the election, but she tells us the experience at Girls State will shape the rest of her life. “What the program stresses is, left or right, just participate. Participate in democracy. Who’s representing your city? Who’s representing your county? Who’s representing you? There’d be a lot more representation of women. It would help more people get out and exercise their voice.”

      
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Produced by Sari Aviv and Lucie Kirk. Editor: Steven Tyler. 

Jane Pauley

Jane Pauley is anchor of the award-winning “CBS News Sunday Morning.” A respected broadcast journalist for more than 50 years, Pauley is the recipient of multiple Emmys, the Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Journalism, the Edward R. Murrow Award for outstanding achievement and the Gracie Allen Award from the Foundation of American Women in Radio & Television. Pauley is a member of the Broadcast and Cable Hall of Fame.

When Francine Madden heard about a Wyoming man who killed a gray wolf after injuring it with his snowmobile and showing it off at his local bar, she was disturbed, but not very surprised.  

She’s seen a lot during her almost three decades working as a mediator for wildlife conflict. She’s resolved disputes over gorillas in Uganda and tigers in Bhutan, but for 50-odd years, the management of gray wolves has been an intractable American problem.

Since 1973, the gray wolf has been on and off the federal government’s endangered species list. When the wolves are on the list, advocates say the protections help wolves’ place in the natural environment and allow them to roam the great American West as they did for hundreds of years — not be treated, as some say, “like vermin.” On the other side, some ranchers then say there are too many wolves and they have to bear the economic — and emotional — costs of lost livestock. 

“I watch my animals die and get murdered,” Kathy McKay, owner of the 1,600-acre K-Diamond-K ranch in Washington state, told CBS News. She says she can’t sleep at night in fear for the lives of her animals, and she’s lost about 40 to wolves.

When the wolves are off the endangered species list, as they are now in certain states in the lower 48, advocates say wolves are killed indiscriminately. Attorney and advocate Collette Adkins, carnivore conservation director at the Center for Biological Diversity, says wolf carcasses are “piling up” and there is a “cowboy mentality” around a species often not seen as worthy. 

Enter Madden. Hired as a mediator by the federal government in December, this is her second time wading into the morass, albeit on a much larger scale. She facilitated Washington state’s 18-person working group on the gray wolves in 2015, helping to come to some policy decisions around population management. 

Almost a decade later, she and her firm Constructive Conflict are back, this time at the national level. But in some ways, the sides have become more entrenched. Madden says she’s speaking to Americans who “feel their way of life, or what they care about, is under very real threat.” Yet she remains confident she’ll have all sides at the table starting in 2025. 

Sides drawn along partisan lines

Thousands of gray wolves roamed America’s wilderness for centuries until hunters, ranchers and others nearly decimated the species. In 1973, the federal government listed them as endangered in the lower 48 states.  Fewer than 1,000 wolves roamed in the U.S. at that time, according to the International Wolf Center. 

Protected from hunting, gray wolves began to proliferate, and some people grew concerned they were killing livestock and threatening tribal communities and lands. Soon the pushback began.

Animals were killed, businesses were shut, and the sides — often drawn along partisan lines — dug in, each convinced they knew the right approach to managing gray wolves. For many, “wolves became a symbol of government overreach,” said Adkins. Recent action sowed even more division; as the population rebounded, the gray wolf was taken off the federal government’s endangered species list in 2020 and the management was shifted to the states. 

Wolves began to die. One example: a third of Wisconsin’s gray wolf population was killed by hunters and poachers when protections were removed, researchers at the University of Wisconsin found in 2021.

John Vucetich, a professor at Michigan Technological University, along with more than 100 other scientists, wrote to the Biden administration to reinstate protections. Lawsuits began, and on Feb. 10, 2022, gray wolves in the lower 48 states — with the exception of the Northern Rocky Mountain population — were added back to the list by a court order.  

The news devastated McKay, who was born on the ranch her parents bought in 1961. 

“I don’t know how people 300 miles away have so much control over our livelihood and the survival of our livestock,” said McKay. “Why do we even have to ask?” 

Differing viewpoints, ongoing divisions

Working group members in Washington state couldn’t move any policy forward in the years before Madden arrived, she said, and they “couldn’t speak civilly or constructively to each other.” 

“The costs of the conflict over wolves has been staggering,” she said, adding that no agency has truly been able to count the damage the economic costs — or societal costs — of the conflict.

“We weren’t that comfortable in the same room, with such differing viewpoints. Ranchers were carrying all of the burden, and there were environmentalists we felt didn’t have skin in the game,” said Washington rancher Molly Linville, a working group member whose husband’s family has worked 6,000 acres of land for more than 100 years.

In the year after Madden started mediating the local conflict, “they were able to come up with a decision they all agreed upon,” she said. At the end of a three-year, $1.2 million state contract, she said, the working group hammered out a series of constructive policies to manage wolves in their state. 

Madden brings the same optimism to the national dialogue. 

She’s close to the end of the first year of a three-year, $3 million contract. Her group contracted three companies to work on this project; one, a film company, will document the conversations around gray wolves and share the film with the public. Her group has already started selecting the roughly 24 participants who will have ongoing conversations on how to come together around gray wolves.

She traveled to Montana in June to meet with livestock producers and reservations and visit tribal nations. For the past year, she met with people from Wisconsin, Montana, California, Idaho, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Colorado, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Indiana. Madden acknowledges that “skepticism” abounds when she tells people her group’s approach to the conflict, but says many are open to talking as they feel that the “current vicious cycle of conflict in this country is harming people and wolves.” 

She still believes in the power of Americans to listen to each other. 

“There is a genuine hope that at a national scale, in this deeply divided society, we can come together for this conversation to take a step in the right direction for the long-term viability of communities, cultures and wildlife conservation,” said Madden.