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Washington — The jury in the defamation trial against Rudy Giuliani began deliberations on Thursday after the lawyer for two Georgia election workers said in closing arguments that his two clients should each be awarded $24 million. 

Attorney Michael Gottlieb also argued that jurors should award Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea ArShaye Moss, more in emotional and punitive damages.

Giuliani was earlier found to be liable for several defamation claims against them.  

The legal team for the two women based their calculation on the expert testimony of a Northwestern University professor who also testified in E. Jean Caroll’s defamation lawsuit against Donald Trump in New York earlier this year. Ashlee Humphreys spoke about the millions of impressions that 16 “actionable statements” Giuliani made had online and on television.

“That amount is not even close to the amount of reputational damage that our clients have suffered in this case,” Gottlieb argued.

Gottlieb told the jury the harm caused to his clients was part of a concerted effort by Giuliani and the Trump legal teams to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

“The lies in this case became a sustained deliberate campaign the purpose of which was to overturn an election,” Gottlieb said. 

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Former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani arrives at the U.S. District Courthouse on Dec. 14, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 

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“They aimed and they fired” at Freeman and Moss, Gottlieb said, later contending that Giuliani and his co-conspirators, including Trump, were “assassinating the name and character of ordinary people.”

Even after U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell found Giuliani liable for defamation, the former Trump lawyer continued to spread lies about Freeman and Moss — up to 20 times since August 2023 and up until the first day of trial, Gottlieb estimated.

The jurors will have to decide how much in reputational harm, emotional distress and punitive damages to aware the pair.

Giuliani opted not to testify earlier Thursday, even though he had told reporters a day earlier that he intended to do so. His defense rested Thursday without calling any witnesses.

In his closing argument, Giuliani’s attorney, Joseph Sibley, did not refute the facts of the case or the emotional testimony of Freemon and Moss.

“It’s been hard to watch the victims in this case,” he said in his closing argument. “Everything you saw was 100% genuine.”

Still, he said the damages they seek are “catastrophic” and “inappropriate” to what Giuliani actually did, taking aim at the plaintiff’s expert witness. Sibley called Humphreys’ testimony “rehearsed” and “robot-like.”

“Justice requires an actual reasonable estimate of damages and not what their expert witness who has only done this one time to Donald Trump testified that they should get,” he said.

Sibley placed blame for the initial harm Freeman and Moss suffered at the feet of the first website to identify them, the Gateway Pundit, and showed the jury a lawsuit the pair has filed against the site. The plaintiffs’ attorneys contend injecting the conspiracy theories into media accounts was part of the Trump legal team’s plan.

“That’s how the names got out. That’s how everyone knew who they were,” he argued.

Sibley also contended that the expert witness’ reputation restoration campaign model — which she said could cost millions of dollars should Freeman and Moss embark on it — is likely useless as the people who believed Giuliani’s lies would believe them “no matter what.”

Sibley also distanced Giuliani from the racist and violent threats that Freeman and Moss received, telling them he had not intended for such messages to be sent.

“Rudy Giuliani is a good man … he hasn’t exactly helped himself” in recent days, the defense attorney said. “Rudy Giuliani shouldn’t be defined by what’s happened in recent times.”

Sibley urged the jury to consider his client’s past and his work as mayor of New York, particularly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Speaking with reporters this week outside of court, Giuliani sought to distance himself from the threatening and racist messages the two received, saying he had no idea who the people were who sent them. Still, days earlier, Giuliani told reporters he had told the truth about Freeman and Moss.

The two election workers were catapulted into the public eye after Giuliani posted video of the two processing ballots on election night at State Farm Arena in Atlanta and claimed it showed they were engaged in a fake ballot processing scheme. An investigation by the Georgia secretary of state later concluded, “All allegations made against Freeman and Moss were unsubstantiated and found to have no merit.”

Giuliani has also conceded that he had made false statements about Freeman and Moss when he claimed they engaged in voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election. However, he maintained that he was engaging in constitutionally protected speech when he leveled the accusations. 



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Kamala Harris will speak with “60 Minutes” tomorrow. Here’s what to know for the interview.

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Voters will get the chance to hear from Vice President Kamala Harris on Monday as she presents her case for why she should be president in a “60 Minutes” election special.

For decades, “60 Minutes” has featured both Republican and Democratic nominees for presidents, but this year, former President Donald Trump backed out after previously indicating he would be on the show. Correspondent Scott Pelley, who’d been set to interview Trump, will instead travel to Arizona’s Maricopa County, home to more than 60% of Arizona’s voters and a critical battleground in a key swing state. 

One thing is certain about the election; with the U.S. deeply involved in both the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East, whoever wins on Nov. 5 will become a wartime president. 

What Harris will discuss

Israel’s war started one year ago after Hamas launched a surprise terror attack and correspondent Bill Whitaker will discuss the ongoing war with Harris. 

Harris will also discuss the economy, immigration, her record as vice president and the differences between herself and Trump.

Democratic vice presidential candidate Gov. Tim Walz will also appear.

Whitaker joined the Democratic ticket on the campaign trail this week to gain insight into their platform’s priorities and values, and what the candidates believe voters should know. 

Why Trump pulled out of the “60 Minutes” interview

Leading up to the candidate hour, Trump, through campaign spokespeople, was the first candidate to accept the “60 Minutes” request to be interviewed for the special, according to CBS News. It had been agreed that both candidates would receive equal time during the broadcast.

Trump last sat down with 60 Minutes in 2020. He walked out during the interview with Lesley Stahl. Trump referenced the incident on Tuesday night at a Milwaukee press conference when asked about his decision not to participate in the Oct. 7 “60 Minutes” election special. 

“Well, right now, I went to – they came to me and would like me to do an interview, but first I want to get an apology, because the last time I did an interview with them, if you remember, they challenged me on the computer,” Trump said. “They said the ‘laptop from hell’ was from Russia, and I said it wasn’t from Russia. It was from Hunter, and I never got an apology, so I’m sort of waiting. I’d love to do ’60 Minutes.’ I do everything.”

The Republican nominee for president emphasized that he felt he was owed an apology from “60 Minutes.”

“Let’s see if they do it. I wouldn’t mind doing 60,” Trump continued. “I’ve done ’60 Minutes’ a lot.”

In a statement on Tuesday, Trump campaign communications director Steven Cheung said that Trump’s team had not agreed to an interview.

“Fake News,” Cheung said in a post on X. “60 Minutes begged for an interview, even after they were caught lying about Hunter Biden’s laptop back in 2020. There were initial discussions, but nothing was ever scheduled or locked in. They also insisted on doing live fact checking, which is unprecedented.”

Previous Trump, Harris appearances on 60 Minutes

Trump previously sat down with “60 Minutes'” Mike Wallace in 1985, Pelley in 2015 and Lesley Stahl twice in 2016, first in July of that year and then again in November of 2016. He also spoke with Stahl again in 2018 and 2020.

Harris previously sat down with Whitaker last year. She also was interviewed by Norah O’Donnell, “CBS Evening News” anchor and “60 Minutes” contributing correspondent, in 2020

How to watch the “60 Minutes” election special



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Monday, on a 60 Minutes election special, Bill Whitaker asks Vice President Kamala Harris if the U.S. lacks influence over American ally Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

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